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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number

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645 for the 21st of february

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2021 richard saunders coming to you from

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sydney australia

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the skeptics are in the podcast that

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asked the big question

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do cockatoos like vegemite no there are

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some more questions we need to ask

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actually

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coming up on this week's show we're

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going to begin with a report of

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former celebrity chef who we've

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mentioned many times on the show before

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and conspiracy theorist pete evans

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band again this time he's been banned

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instagram which is a bit of a pity for

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poor old pete because he's also

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announced a run

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for the senate and in fact what's not

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mentioned in the report coming up is

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just yesterday pete evans appeared

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before a crowd of

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anti-vaxxers in sydney in a

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a bit of a rambling address to the

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to the crowd said he was going to be

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running for the senate

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and there were crowds of people in

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in melbourne sadly that resulted in

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and arrests yes the anti-vaxxers aren't

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going away and they're sort of still

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somewhat with the anti-5g protesters

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anyway we can hear about pete evans at

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the top of the show

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following that it's logical fallacies

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with michelle bickersmart this week

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michelle looks at the argument from

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gibberish i've been accused of

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that on occasion and this

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at least for now this represents 40.

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it's the 40th logical fallacies from

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which she has presented over the course

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of the last year

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about this time last year i was

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announcing to you all that we have a new

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reporter with a new segment michelle

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because my will be doing logical

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congratulations michelle a spectacular

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but don't think you're getting off the

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hook michelle i certainly hope there'll

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be more from you to come

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in the year ahead after that we look at

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concerning facebook where many of you

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uh censored news and information sites

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later on in the show including the fact

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that the australian skeptics were

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this week part two

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of his series looking into phrenology

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into the unknown in our trove

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segment where we hear the summing up

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the beginning of the summing up from the

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over 70 years ago stay tuned at the end

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of the episode for more announcements

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from me but now it's time for me to put

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well whatever happened to pete evans the

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chef the conspiracy theorist et cetera

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et cetera et cetera

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as reported at sbs news

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at sbs.com pete evans instagram account

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conspiracy theorist pete evans

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has been permanently booted off

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the coronavirus and vaccines facebook

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this account had hundreds of thousands

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and we click the link on that page it

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dangerous publicity stunt expert slams

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the great australian party

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media release great australian party

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congratulate pete evans and welcome him

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i'm mick west in my podcast tales from

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the rabbit hole i have extended

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conversations with people who've been

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i do this for a couple of reasons

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firstly because it's really interesting

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these people have great stories about

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how they fell down the conspiracy theory

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hole what they did down there and what

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sometimes i also talk to people who

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investigate conspiracy theories and they

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logical fallacies

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what are logical fallacies and why is it

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important that critical thinkers should

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know about them

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a logical fallacy is an error we can

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make in reasoning

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but it usually crops up when we are

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some people might even knowingly use

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them to try and score cheap points in an

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argument

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due to intellectual laziness

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they are traps we can fall into but if

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we know what to look out for

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we can spot them when they occur and

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this time we'll look at argument from

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gibberish

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this occurs when a person makes a claim

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that something is true

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then supports that claim with an

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explanation that includes highly

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technical jargon from a field that

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is difficult to comprehend it also

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occurs when a claim is based on

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pure gibberish in lieu of a strong

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argument both of these types of

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arguments

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are deliberately obtuse and designed to

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shut down

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or confuse the person questioning the

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claim

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it relies on a person's lack of

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familiarity with the jargon

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or their scientific illiteracy and

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commonly appears in the pseudosciences

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that make reference to such notions as

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energy fields my neighbor was

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researching transcendental meditation

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and came across some information about

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how to achieve

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humankind's ascension into higher

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creational

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forms he said the information could be

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difficult to follow for people not well

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versed in

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spiritual science but the claims were

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all backed by solid arguments rather

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than providing

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solid arguments it is more common to see

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gibberish being used to create such

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arguments to back up the claim

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for example you may see something like a

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claim that

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sentient beings can collectively raise

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the level of the matrix of their

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creation

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through the synchronized raising of

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their vibrational energy

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the role of the earth matrix integrates

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the

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individual realities into that of

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space-time fields

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an awareness systematically flows back

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from the cosmos to the consciousness of

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the human mind

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achieving higher states of evolution

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this kind of word salad is intended to

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sound as though it was actually

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based in science and is deliberately

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phrased in a way to intimidate

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it uses big words and relies on

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scientific illiteracy

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in order to sound convincing it is hoped

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that the reader or listener will simply

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defer

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and accept the argument in an i'll take

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your word for that

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kind of way i saw this ad on my social

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media news feed today

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it claims that the biocharger

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revitalizer

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is a simple and inexpensive device

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designed as an

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integrated energy system that subtly

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stimulates and

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energizes the body's own energy

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in a safe and therapeutic way it has the

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potential to cure fatigue

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generate vitality and enhance

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athletic performance depending on the

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potential of the

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individual user the device produces

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digitally pulsed electromagnetic

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fields p-e-m-p through a range of

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frequencies that the cell can vibrate

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and

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resonate with in a customized way

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such claims often go into technical

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detail in the hope that the

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jargon and references to actual physics

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and biology

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will be taken for granted as accurate

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so-called energy medicine relies on

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debunked ideas

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such as that the body can be charged by

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a biocompatible

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energy field the belief is that the

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individual cells in the body selectively

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resonate with the vibrations and

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frequencies surrounding them

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unhealthy cells supposedly absorb

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more energy as the voltage they generate

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is lower than healthy cells capable of

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producing more of their

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own energy requirements apparently

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all that is required is to provide a

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broad enough range of pulsed harmonics

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and a bandwidth of frequencies in which

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the cells can find their match

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however in the words of skeptdoc harriet

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hall

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never mind that cells don't vibrate

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don't resonate

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and don't have frequencies a tuning fork

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can vibrate

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and a radio station can have a frequency

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but a pancreas can't i read a newspaper

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article that said when

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dismissing astrology skeptics

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claim that there is no connection

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between the stars and the human mind

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yet science tells us this is not so

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and we can make connections between the

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two based on an understanding of

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electromagnetism some astrologers draw

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on astrophysics and neuroscience when

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making claims that astrology is

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scientifically proven

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and they concoct explanations that

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combine

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facts from both fields to produce a

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whole new

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false concept for example

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you may see an explanation that states

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the effect of

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multiple neurons firing together in an

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area of the brain generates a measurable

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magnetic field outside the head

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these neuromagnetic signals generated by

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the brain

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are only around a billionth of the

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strength of the earth's magnetic field

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so it is no great leap to conclude that

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the sun

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moon and planets all which create

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tidal effects in the earth's

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magnetosphere and cause

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fluctuations in the geomagnetic surface

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of the earth

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must have an influence on the human

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brain

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not only is this a false claim that we

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can easily detect by the weasel words

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no great leap to conclude

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the astrologers are hoping to bamboozle

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their target

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audience with the scientific vocabulary

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and

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try to capitalize on the scientific

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illiteracy

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of their followers

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[Music]

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you may have heard the expression if you

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can't dazzle them with brilliance

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baffle them with bs this is

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definitely applicable to all arguments

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from gibberish

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whenever we lack the scientific literacy

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to counter these types of arguments

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specifically

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we can still be quite suspicious of

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slabs of

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texts plucked from scientific papers etc

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to create gibberish in support of

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dubious

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claims we can look for weasel words

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and do some research that debunks the

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nonsense

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we can also ask those making the claim

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to explain the science further and

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are likely to discover that their

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ability to do so can be

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knowing a logical fallacy when you hear

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one and

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even knowing its name is important when

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arguing your point of view

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however you may come across as arrogant

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and not get very far if you call it out

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by name

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to your opponent when you hear it being

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used

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if your opponent calls you out for using

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one

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it's time to stop and think about how

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you are making your case

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use your knowledge of logical fallacies

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wisely

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and remember that even if your point of

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view is right

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and you know all the pitfalls in arguing

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your case

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it doesn't always mean you'll win on the

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day

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and as skeptics we must also remember

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i'm michelle bickersma from the vic

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hey adrian hi susan out for some

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shopping eh

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yep i'm stocking up on this imitation

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maple syrup from australia

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imitation imitation

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no no no no you need to buy the real

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thing

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from canada but i saw the tv commercial

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and it said that noted pancake eating

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expert richard saunders says it's the

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best maple syrup money can buy

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and 60 of people preferred in a blind

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taste test

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everyone knows it's the best oh come on

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susan

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you know better than that that's the

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argument from authority

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it is or is it the argument from

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popularity hmm it might be another

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logical fallacy i'm not sure

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really if only we had a way of finding

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[Music]

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hello everyone oh my it's the skeptical

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fairy godmother angel from the internet

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yes that's right but how did you know

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who i am

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i listened to the skeptic zone podcast

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also didn't you used to be the tooth

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fairy

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oh yes i remember you

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i'll never forget your left upper

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lateral incisor

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would you like it back no it's okay

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you keep it hey skeptical fairy

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godmother angel what are you doing here

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in the supermarket

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i've come to tell you that you can find

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out about

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40 different logical fallacies on

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youtube

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in one handy location listen to

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each one to hear an explanation and

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examples of

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just go to tinyurl.com

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logicalzone and you'll find all the

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logical fallacies with michelle bicker's

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mark

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with handy time codes to get to the

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exact one you want

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who is michelle bigesma um just a friend

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of mine

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tinyurl logical

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zone thank you skeptical fairy godmother

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angel

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i guess you'll disappear in a puff of

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smoke and thunder now eh

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um not quite yet i have a bit of

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shopping to

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do susan yes

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where do i find the australian maple

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syrup

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what no no no no come with me so-called

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skeptical fairy

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this is real maple syrup from canada

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on the morning of thursday the 18th of

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february i woke up and a coffee

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sat down to do a little bit of uh

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facebooking and generally use the

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internet like most of us do

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i noticed that a post i'd put on

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last week on my own facebook page

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a post about a friend of mine siobhan

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who

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i've interviewed on the skeptic zone

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before who does the knowing

579
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animals podcast had disappeared

580
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,760
i thought that was very odd i scrolled

581
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up and down my page and i couldn't find

582
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it

583
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,120
i've posted had also disappeared

584
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,240
the thing about the one from siobhan

585
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:23,360
was it was a very important piece

586
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:27,520
a link to the abc here in australia

587
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:31,279
a link about her story with ovarian

588
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:32,960
cancer

589
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,400
and it was indeed a very important piece

590
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,799
so i was quite confused and concerned

591
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,240
and it didn't take long for the news to

592
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filter through to me

593
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:45,760
that facebook had acted suddenly

594
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:48,640
thursday morning australian time and

595
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:49,440
deleted

596
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content millions of pages worth of

597
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content links

598
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:57,520
from australian news and information

599
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sources facebook are having a

600
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,440
rather strange negotiation with the

601
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australian government at the moment

602
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due to new media laws which may come in

603
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,320
before long which would require facebook

604
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and other media companies like that to

605
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:16,799
pay for local news content

606
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,840
be that as it may the repercussions of

607
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facebook's

608
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,120
very sudden and heavy-handed actions

609
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were probably not what they themselves

610
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,720
were expecting

611
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which does not paint them in a very good

612
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light at all

613
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and i draw your attention to a posting

614
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made at the australian skeptics website

615
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on

616
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the 19th of february

617
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and this is by lauren cochran facebook

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puts critical health information at risk

619
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by blocking legitimate news sources

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[Music]

621
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like many organizations australian

622
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skeptics inc

623
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was affected by facebook's changes to

624
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sharing

625
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,240
and viewing news in australia why we are

626
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:06,720
pleased to see that our facebook page

627
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:07,520
and past

628
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,720
posts have been restored today

629
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,200
our own site content is still

630
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,080
unavailable to be shared on facebook

631
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several government health pages like

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queensland health

633
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sydney local health district and western

634
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sydney health

635
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also found their content was restricted

636
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thursday morning

637
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:29,200
yet by the afternoon they were back

638
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,720
online and sharing

639
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,360
critical health information the content

640
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,159
restrictions are being widely criticized

641
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,799
as putting credible public health

642
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,559
communications at risk

643
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,200
during the covet 19 pandemic professor

644
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:45,440
julie liske of the university of sydney

645
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,400
tweeted her concern over the timing of

646
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,159
the facebook restrictions

647
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,200
just as the covert 19 vaccine rollout is

648
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,600
set to start in a few days time

649
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:57,279
and here we have a screenshot of the

650
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,039
tweet in question

651
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:01,919
and it was triggered by a tweet from

652
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:03,279
light for riley

653
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:05,760
and that account is all about vaccine

654
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:06,480
and

655
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,520
riley tweeted no access to south

656
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,279
australian health queensland health

657
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,679
telethon kids institute facebook pages

658
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,039
either

659
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:19,840
all their content has been removed and

660
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,159
the

661
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,880
reply from julie liske three days before

662
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:25,039
australia's vaccine rollout facebook

663
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,960
also stopped access to government and

664
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,000
other websites

665
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,000
the very time we rely on people

666
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,559
accessing vaccine information easily

667
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,200
michael research fellow at the national

668
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:37,039
center for immunization research and

669
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,000
surveillance

670
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:40,640
expressed similar concerns in an article

671
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,840
on the conversation

672
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,159
quote now more than ever we need

673
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,320
credible evidence-based information

674
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:48,720
about covert 19 circulating on social

675
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:49,600
media

676
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:52,240
as legitimate news sources health

677
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,360
departments and

678
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,840
science organizations were silenced

679
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:57,600
conspiracy theorists

680
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,559
and rogue politicians who have spread

681
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:02,559
misinformation in the past

682
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,840
could continue posting belinda barnett

683
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,440
senior lecturer in media and

684
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:09,600
communications at swinburne university

685
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,799
of technology

686
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,799
expressed in her opinion piece for the

687
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:15,440
guardian that by blocking legitimate

688
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,240
news sources

689
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,559
facebook's past statements about

690
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:20,880
stopping the spread of misinformation on

691
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:21,919
the platform now

692
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,039
seem farcical

693
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:27,200
while we continue working on resolving

694
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,039
the issue so our own

695
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:31,279
website content can be shared to

696
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,399
facebook again

697
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,399
we recommend that you follow us on

698
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,720
twitter to see the news items of

699
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,000
skeptical interest

700
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,880
that we'll continue to share there our

701
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,480
australian skeptics inc

702
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,720
newsletter will also continue to

703
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:46,640
summarize the latest news of interest to

704
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,520
skeptics

705
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:50,240
so we encourage you to subscribe to our

706
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:51,279
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707
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:54,080
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708
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,200
if you want to follow the australian

709
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:57,360
skeptics on twitter that's very easy

710
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,720
just head to at aust aust

711
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:03,200
skeptics spelt with the k so that's at

712
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:03,760
host

713
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:07,039
skeptics and of course the newsletter

714
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:07,760
referred to

715
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:10,720
is the one we regularly read highlights

716
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,279
from

717
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,039
here on the skeptic zone and we

718
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,520
encourage you each time we do that

719
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:17,520
to subscribe to the newsletter and now

720
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,559
more so

721
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,360
than ever now i for one don't know all

722
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,279
the ins and outs and legal

723
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:25,600
repercussions and copyright issues and

724
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,120
so on and so forth

725
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:30,320
with this whole debacle but i

726
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,919
do find it uh startling

727
00:29:37,390 --> 00:29:36,320
that facebook would take such a

728
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:37,400
heavy-handed

729
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:38,840
[Music]

730
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,360
and in my opinion over-the-top

731
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,000
reaction or action to somehow try and

732
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:46,000
teach us a lesson here in australia or

733
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:47,679
whatever they were thinking

734
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:51,200
instead of continuing to negotiate

735
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,960
at the table with the government they

736
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,960
have not put themselves in a good light

737
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:56,640
and governments around the world are

738
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,640
taking a careful uh

739
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,799
look to see what's going to happen here

740
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,080
in australia

741
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:04,159
thank you to lauren cochran with the

742
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:05,679
help of tim mendem

743
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,720
for putting that news item together

744
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:12,480
and i'll link to that in this week's

745
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:22,310
show notes

746
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:28,310
hi there i'm abhijeet and i host the

747
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,919
rationable podcast on berationable.com

748
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,919
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749
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:35,440
out of alternative medicines

750
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:38,000
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751
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:38,960
forwards

752
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,240
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753
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,640
you can find all of my articles podcast

754
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:46,559
episodes and lots more

755
00:30:55,950 --> 00:30:50,799
on www.berationable.com

756
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:01,390
[Music]

757
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:04,640
rationable

758
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,110
and now a reading from the book of tim

759
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:10,799
[Music]

760
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,640
with tim mendham

761
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,480
hi my name is tim mandum i'm the

762
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,880
executive officer of australian skeptics

763
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:25,039
and the editor of our quarterly magazine

764
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,320
the skeptic

765
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,159
which you can download most issues for

766
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:30,840
free from our website

767
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,279
skeptics.com

768
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:35,760
now today i'm reading you part two of an

769
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:36,559
article

770
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:40,559
it's all in your head and was written by

771
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,679
michelle cooper

772
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,399
who's a scientist and author of books

773
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,399
for teenagers

774
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:48,000
this comes from the skeptic magazine

775
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,240
december 2018

776
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:53,200
which is volume 38 number four and as i

777
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,039
said you can download the entire issue

778
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:58,159
for free of our website and while you're

779
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:59,440
there you might like to subscribe to the

780
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:00,000
magazine

781
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:00,930
as well

782
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:07,190
but anyway part two we're looking at

783
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,799
phrenology and in the first part we

784
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:10,159
looked at the history of phrenology

785
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,159
which is reading bumps on the head

786
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,559
to indicate character etc and now we're

787
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,080
looking at the particular

788
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:18,480
application of phrenology in australia

789
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:19,519
and especially

790
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,200
to criminal minds a number of early

791
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,120
australian colonial administrators

792
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,919
were reforming phenologists including

793
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,279
alexander mcconaughey who was

794
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:31,039
superintendent of norfolk island a

795
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,240
particularly nasty

796
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:34,799
place to send convicts and dr francis

797
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,279
campbell

798
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:38,159
at tarban creek lunatic asylum which

799
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,919
later became gladesville mental hospital

800
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,480
which a lot of sydney siders will know

801
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,000
these men believe that phrenological

802
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,559
analysis could identify character flaws

803
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,720
which would assist their attempts to

804
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:50,640
transform undesirables

805
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,080
into virtuous responsible citizens

806
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:56,159
criminals who had demonstrated specific

807
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,679
antisocial behaviors

808
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,279
were particularly useful subjects for

809
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:01,120
reforming phrenologists

810
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,799
the difficulty was that many of these

811
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:04,640
criminal skulls were examined

812
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:07,120
after they'd been hanged when there was

813
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,840
no further chance of the individual's

814
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,320
rehabilitation

815
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,159
in any case by the time ned kelly's head

816
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:14,240
was being analyzed by professor hamilton

817
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:14,720
he was

818
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,360
self-appointed professor of phrenology

819
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,279
phenology was regarded more as popular

820
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,000
entertainment than serious science

821
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,760
notorious criminals often had death

822
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,919
masks made and displayed after their

823
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,799
executions

824
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,720
but this was as much to show that

825
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:30,720
justice had been served and to satisfy

826
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,440
the public's

827
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,000
ghoulish curiosity as it is for any

828
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,840
scientific purpose

829
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,919
bushrangers were especially fascinating

830
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:39,919
and the governor of one jail allegedly

831
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:41,600
ran a profitable business

832
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,320
selling their death masks however there

833
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:45,919
was one branch of phonology

834
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:48,480
that had some official recognition on

835
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:49,200
and off

836
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:52,080
until well into the 20th century it was

837
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,360
this type of phrenology

838
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,919
that had led to the arrest of hamilton

839
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,440
two decades earlier

840
00:34:01,509 --> 00:34:00,000
now in july 1860 archibald's silos

841
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,519
hamilton had been arrested

842
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:03,760
by a maitland police magistrate

843
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,720
maintenance in the

844
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,480
central part of new south wales and

845
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,320
charged with inciting another two

846
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,960
ex-hume corpses from a burial ground

847
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,040
hamilton had allegedly offered to pay

848
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,879
the sexton of saint peter's church in

849
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,679
the area

850
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,440
one pound if he would sneak into the

851
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,359
church's graveyard late at night

852
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:21,520
dig up two recently buried executed

853
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:22,399
prisoners

854
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,520
and cut off the corpses heads hamilton

855
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:27,119
had a particular interest in one of the

856
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,440
men

857
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,079
jim crow because this executed man was

858
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:31,919
an aboriginal

859
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:33,359
hamilton was not alone in his

860
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,119
fascination with the remains of

861
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,280
aboriginal australians

862
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,960
the expansion of the british empire had

863
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:41,280
brought europeans into contact with many

864
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:42,240
new plants

865
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:45,200
animals and people naturalists developed

866
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,159
taxonomies

867
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,960
to classify species of flora and fauna

868
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,720
which led to an interest in comparing

869
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:51,599
the bodies

870
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,560
of different racial groups of humans had

871
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:56,320
these different races originated from a

872
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,440
common ancestor

873
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,280
did all modern humans have the same

874
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,280
intellectual and moral potential

875
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,359
if given the right opportunities or were

876
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:05,280
different races actually divergent

877
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,320
species

878
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,800
phrenology with its established systems

879
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:10,720
of measurement and classification

880
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,160
was a useful tool for studying this

881
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,079
charles darwin supported the theory of a

882
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,240
common ancestor for all humans

883
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:20,560
but he also described a racial hierarchy

884
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:21,440
for humans

885
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,920
with white european men at the top and

886
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,000
the negro or australian

887
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,640
at the bottom in the descent of man he

888
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,960
stated that the civilized races of man

889
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:33,040
will almost certainly exterminate and

890
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,000
replace

891
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,880
throughout the world the savage races

892
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:38,320
which was a view shared by many

893
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,040
authorities

894
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,119
including the government of victoria

895
00:35:45,630 --> 00:35:42,720
which commissioned and published

896
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,640
a phrenological report on aborigines in

897
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:48,240
1858

898
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,839
hamilton was acquitted of the charge of

899
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,839
body snatching having successfully

900
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,200
argued at his trial

901
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:55,040
that a phradologist needed skulls to

902
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,640
study just as a geologist needed rocks

903
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,480
besides hamilton pointed out he had

904
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:02,240
dissected the bodies of many criminals

905
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,520
after their execution

906
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,240
at the official request of authorities

907
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:08,079
hamilton somehow managed to obtain the

908
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,520
skull of jim crow

909
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,599
at some point after this because two

910
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,599
years later he was displaying it

911
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,680
during his phrenological lectures

912
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:17,440
discussing the relationship between the

913
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:18,640
skulls bumps

914
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:21,280
and the man's criminal history jim

915
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,160
crow's skull

916
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:24,240
donated to the museum of victoria by

917
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,520
hamilton's widow

918
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,200
would finally be returned to the one

919
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:29,200
aurora people of the hunter valley in

920
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:30,160
new south wales

921
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:34,400
for re-burial in 2015.

922
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,760
hamilton was more showman than

923
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:37,359
scientists but is there any evidence

924
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,000
that phrenology had a scientific basis

925
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:42,800
in the 1860s paul broker published the

926
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,200
first

927
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:45,200
anatomical evidence linking a particular

928
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:46,320
region of the brain

929
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,920
to a particular behavior broker a french

930
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,200
neuroanatomist

931
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,960
had met a patient who had progressively

932
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,720
lost the ability to speak

933
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:56,480
but who retained his understanding of

934
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:59,680
language and most other mental functions

935
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:02,079
after the patient died broker found a

936
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:03,520
lesion in the man's left

937
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,480
frontal lobe this result was duplicated

938
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,000
in a dozen more cases

939
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:09,839
indicating that this particular region

940
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,079
of the brain was responsible

941
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:15,440
for speech production karl wernicki

942
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,119
then demonstrated that another area of

943
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:19,119
the brain was linked to understanding

944
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,400
language

945
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,480
meanwhile david ferrier's animal

946
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,560
experiments had shown that electrical

947
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:26,240
stimulation of certain parts of the

948
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,960
brain

949
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,680
caused specific muscle movements clearly

950
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:31,119
there was evidence in favor

951
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,920
of the theory of brain localization but

952
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:35,599
did that mean that phrenology's claims

953
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,040
about organs and faculties were correct

954
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,359
recently a team of neuroscientists at

955
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,800
the university of oxford

956
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:45,359
attempted to answer that question using

957
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,160
data from the uk biobank imaging study

958
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:50,560
the researchers compared mri skull and

959
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,440
brain data

960
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,520
with cognitive tests lifestyle

961
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:55,520
questionnaires and demographic data

962
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,800
from more than 5 000 subjects from goals

963
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:00,800
original 27 faculties

964
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,839
the oxford researchers selected that

965
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,520
seemed to have some measurable modern

966
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:07,040
day equivalent

967
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:10,800
for example goals faculty of amitiveness

968
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,520
because of loveliness impulse to

969
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:15,920
propagation was compared to biobank data

970
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,760
on the subject's lifetime number of

971
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,280
sexual partners

972
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,280
the faculty of words was measured using

973
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,040
a letter fluency task

974
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:25,200
and the faculty of arithmetic was linked

975
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,560
to careers in mathematics

976
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,320
some of girl's faculties proved more

977
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,400
difficult to match to available data

978
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,320
and researchers admitted they made some

979
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,880
associations in a spirit of mirth

980
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,960
for instance they attempted to correlate

981
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,960
the faculty of combativeness

982
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:42,640
with whether the subjects had worked as

983
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,480
lawyers solicitors or barristers

984
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,480
the researchers also tested the veracity

985
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:50,160
of a second claim of phrenology

986
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:51,599
that the bumps of the skull were

987
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,079
directly related to the underlying shape

988
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,680
of the brain

989
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,760
and what were their results the oxford

990
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:59,520
study reported no statistically

991
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,160
significant

992
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,400
or meaningful link between gaul's

993
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:03,760
described faculties

994
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,640
and the shape of the skull furthermore

995
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:08,640
brain shape had no relationship

996
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:11,359
with the bumps of the overlying skull

997
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,160
still

998
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,000
all had been on the right track when he

999
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,760
proposed that brain regions

1000
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:18,000
were related to particular skills and

1001
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:19,760
behaviours

1002
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,320
for example modern neuro imaging has now

1003
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:23,839
linked parts of the

1004
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:28,079
inferior frontal gyrus brokers area and

1005
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:28,800
superior

1006
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,760
temporal gyrus wernicke's area with

1007
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,119
language processing

1008
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,599
while the angular gyrus is related to

1009
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,440
arithmetic skill

1010
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:39,280
it's also true that some medical

1011
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,480
conditions such as

1012
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:42,880
hydrocephalus can change the shape of

1013
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,320
the skull for children

1014
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:46,240
and cause changes in behavior and

1015
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,680
cognition

1016
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,599
the oxford researchers noted that even

1017
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,200
in a healthy population

1018
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,440
improvements in childhood nutrition

1019
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,280
could lead to greater growth

1020
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:58,160
larger heads and possibly changes in

1021
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:58,880
intelligence

1022
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,760
test scores but phrenology itself was

1023
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,440
never very scientific

1024
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:05,599
as american satirist ambrose b has

1025
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:06,480
stated

1026
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,800
phrenology is merely the science of

1027
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,079
picking the pocket through

1028
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:13,040
the scalp it consists of locating and

1029
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:14,400
exploiting the organ

1030
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:20,790
now that's uh all it's all in the head

1031
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,520
part two

1032
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:23,440
of a two part series that was published

1033
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:25,040
in the skeptic magazine

1034
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:29,359
december 2018 which is volume 38 number

1035
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,280
four the article was written by michelle

1036
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,599
cooper who's a science writer and

1037
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:36,240
who writes books for teenagers and you

1038
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:37,520
can download that issue with the

1039
00:40:45,220 --> 00:40:38,240
magazine

1040
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:50,829
[Music]

1041
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,309
i started listening to ono ross and

1042
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,160
carrie shortly after i broke my arm

1043
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,240
i couldn't get my book started it was

1044
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:04,240
just after my landlord died

1045
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:07,440
i was allergic to water i was lost

1046
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:10,079
honestly i knew it was time to make a

1047
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,040
change and

1048
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:13,280
that's when i turned on my preferred

1049
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,150
what if all the answers i was looking

1050
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,040
for what if they were all right here

1051
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,720
there's something about oh no ross and

1052
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:24,800
carrie that you just can't get anywhere

1053
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,200
else

1054
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:27,839
they're thought leaders discoverers

1055
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:28,640
founders

1056
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:32,240
i'd call them heroes healers luminaries

1057
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,839
ross and kerry don't just report on

1058
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:35,680
french science spirituality and claims

1059
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,800
of the paranormal

1060
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,040
they take part themselves they show up

1061
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:40,560
so you don't have to

1062
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:47,430
my arm is better i wrote an entire book

1063
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,480
this weekend

1064
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:51,119
it's terrible but i did it my landlord

1065
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:52,560
came back from the dead

1066
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:55,839
if i can listen to this podcast anyone

1067
00:42:02,630 --> 00:41:56,720
can do it

1068
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,640
just go to maximumfun.org

1069
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:04,079
owner ross and carrie is just a podcast

1070
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:05,440
it doesn't do anything it's just sounds

1071
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:06,480
you listen to in your ears all these

1072
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,520
people are made up goodbye

1073
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,200
and that music can only mean one thing

1074
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:21,520
yes it's time to dive into trove once

1075
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,079
more

1076
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:24,079
and our continuing story into the

1077
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:25,200
unknown

1078
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:30,800
investigation by a panel of

1079
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:34,800
experts in very late 1949

1080
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,599
published in 1950 originally in the uk i

1081
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,800
would imagine

1082
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,040
although i don't know where and

1083
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:43,119
subsequently republished here in

1084
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,160
australia in the

1085
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,200
sunday sun in their color

1086
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,319
supplement and this part of our

1087
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:52,560
investigation takes us to the 8th of

1088
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:53,440
october

1089
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,560
1950.

1090
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:56,960
[Music]

1091
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:59,119
now over the past weeks many weeks we've

1092
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,079
been

1093
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,119
following the panel's adventures as they

1094
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,280
investigate various psychics mystic

1095
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,680
seers clairvoyance and so on

1096
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,839
we've had people being channeled by the

1097
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:11,119
spirits of

1098
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,040
native americans white feather and

1099
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,599
running water we've had a german doctor

1100
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:17,359
come to visit

1101
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:20,800
who was claimed could heal people using

1102
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:24,319
spiritual power and so far in my humble

1103
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:25,200
opinion

1104
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:29,440
we've seen classic cold reading although

1105
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:32,079
you know it's impossible to really say

1106
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:33,599
for sure

1107
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,920
i don't know how this event was recorded

1108
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,359
it sounds to me or

1109
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,240
reads to me like it was recorded on some

1110
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:41,920
device then transcribed

1111
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,640
or someone was there taking shorthand i

1112
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:46,880
don't know

1113
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,319
anyway we draw to the end over the next

1114
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:52,160
couple of weeks we will wrap up this

1115
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:52,839
whole

1116
00:43:59,060 --> 00:43:56,640
series and this week the panel

1117
00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:59,070
begin they're summing up

1118
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,790
into the unknown a frank investigation

1119
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:06,000
of the riddle

1120
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,370
of spiritualism and psychic force

1121
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,880
[Music]

1122
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,760
the investigation into spiritualism by a

1123
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,920
panel of independent experts was

1124
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,400
completed late in 1949

1125
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,400
after their investigation members of the

1126
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,560
investigating panel were invited to

1127
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,040
write an account of their experiences

1128
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:29,359
extracts from these accounts are

1129
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,970
published below

1130
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:33,200
[Music]

1131
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:36,560
lord amwell i am satisfied that genuine

1132
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:37,440
paranormal

1133
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,480
phenomena occur years ago i produced a

1134
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:42,480
good deal of it for myself

1135
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:45,119
just as anyone may do who is prepared to

1136
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:45,520
give

1137
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:48,560
time and exercise patience

1138
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:51,599
and here let me say that while

1139
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:54,160
commercialized spiritualism is more or

1140
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:55,200
less

1141
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:58,400
phony and the movement should be cleaned

1142
00:45:03,750 --> 00:44:59,440
up by its honest

1143
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:03,760
members nobody today can read the vast

1144
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,480
and authoritative literature relating to

1145
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,079
psychical research

1146
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,960
that is available and not be convinced

1147
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:12,560
that genuine mediumship

1148
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:15,280
exists the explanation that puts it all

1149
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:16,640
down to fraud

1150
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:20,079
done by conjuring is mere intellectual

1151
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,880
laziness and as an aside from me what

1152
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:25,200
logical fallacy is that

1153
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,960
now we've all been listening to logical

1154
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,720
fallacies with michelle bickersmar on

1155
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:30,560
the skeptic zone i think that's

1156
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:34,240
probably the false dilemma

1157
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,280
also known as the false dichotomy the

1158
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,319
either or and the false choice this is

1159
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:41,920
when an argument is framed

1160
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:44,000
as having only two options or

1161
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,119
conclusions

1162
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:47,119
when there are in fact other logical

1163
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,319
alternatives

1164
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:49,839
this fits in nicely and this is

1165
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:52,720
something i have seen over many years

1166
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,520
especially in the media where they take

1167
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:57,440
the position that either a psychic

1168
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,119
is real and has real psychic powers

1169
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,319
or they're a fraud uh forgetting

1170
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:07,119
the in my opinion the vast majority who

1171
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:08,480
are innocently

1172
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:12,880
deceiving themselves we read on

1173
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:15,680
lord amwell but to admit the paranormal

1174
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,560
is one thing

1175
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,440
to accept every psychological

1176
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:20,640
manifestation

1177
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:23,760
as the work of discarnate spirits

1178
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,200
another it is painfully evident to me

1179
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:30,000
at any rate that much mediumship

1180
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:30,800
especially

1181
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,000
in the category of trance control with

1182
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:36,480
its pontifical surmising

1183
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:39,599
and fifth rate moral uplift

1184
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:42,319
is a case of religious and other

1185
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,359
frustration

1186
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:46,160
finding a sympathetic outlet failing

1187
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,520
proof to the country

1188
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,839
of which in my view there was none in

1189
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:51,680
all the seances

1190
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,800
some 20 or so at which most eminent and

1191
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:56,960
successful mediums of the movement could

1192
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:57,359
find

1193
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:00,720
in this country were studied the spirit

1194
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,160
control impresses me as being a clear

1195
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:05,920
case of dissociation

1196
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,839
that is to say dramatized

1197
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:10,240
sub-personality

1198
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,000
i fully accept continuity i believe that

1199
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:16,960
we go on although i think it very

1200
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:17,680
doubtful

1201
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:21,599
that we do in the sense and in the way

1202
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:22,800
that spiritualist

1203
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,079
philosophy describes the technique of

1204
00:47:29,230 --> 00:47:28,400
popular clairvoyance seems to be wide

1205
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:29,240
open to

1206
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,079
misunderstanding i do not question the

1207
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:34,000
power of the genuine clairvoyant to

1208
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:35,920
probe that subconscious

1209
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:39,359
which is i have suggested immensely

1210
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:40,079
wider

1211
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:43,520
than personality as we experience it

1212
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:46,720
but there is normally a good deal of hit

1213
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:49,920
or miss in clairvoyant demonstrations as

1214
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:50,800
well as much

1215
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:54,640
guessing fishing and eeking out

1216
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,920
is it and would it bees

1217
00:48:01,109 --> 00:48:00,319
predominate and i'll just mention here

1218
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,119
that

1219
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,400
it seems to me he is half

1220
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:06,960
stumbling across the concept of cold

1221
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:09,440
reading without really realizing it

1222
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:12,640
we read on the medium builds up as she

1223
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,599
goes

1224
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:16,000
the good one with an occasional striking

1225
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:16,960
result

1226
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:20,000
the other kind trusts to a train

1227
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:23,839
of jacks harry's fred's and emma's

1228
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:26,800
to invoke the requisite initial response

1229
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:27,839
but there are some

1230
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:31,119
invariably the non-professional

1231
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:34,400
who are content hit or miss to let the

1232
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:35,359
spirits

1233
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,119
if they are such speak for themselves

1234
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,760
and these provide the most remarkable

1235
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:43,599
results by far

1236
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:46,720
upon the physical phenomena shown to us

1237
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,599
i feel it painful to comment i leave the

1238
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,680
spirit healing sessions to medical

1239
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:52,960
members of the panel

1240
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,559
and confine the term physical

1241
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,200
to the direct voice i must record my

1242
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:01,280
impression that on one occasion

1243
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:04,880
and on one only it appeared that a voice

1244
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,000
came from the trumpet and was

1245
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,960
somewhat metallic in sound on the same

1246
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:11,920
occasion

1247
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:14,960
by far the best seance of its kind the

1248
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:17,680
trumpet was violently thrown over

1249
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,559
although i should have thought that a

1250
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,079
movement of the medium

1251
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,559
or of any one of his supporters could

1252
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:26,400
have been detected

1253
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,280
in spite of the gramophone of trumpet

1254
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:30,880
demonstrations in general

1255
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,000
one can only say that the darkness

1256
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,720
is highly questionable but to determine

1257
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:38,480
the direction from which a voice

1258
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,920
comes when in pitch darkness or when an

1259
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:43,359
audience is led to

1260
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,920
accept a particular source is next to

1261
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:47,280
the impossible

1262
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:51,200
i must risk the charge of materialistic

1263
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:52,480
hostility

1264
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,760
in pointing this out there was striking

1265
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,200
support for my view

1266
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:59,760
already expressed that there is no

1267
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:00,319
proper

1268
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:03,680
idea of what evidence means much was

1269
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,160
made

1270
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:06,559
of the fact that one direct voice medium

1271
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:07,839
offered the test of having

1272
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,119
stripes of adhesive plaster placed over

1273
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:13,520
his lips to prevent them moving

1274
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:16,640
and so to dispose of

1275
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,920
any charge of using ventriloquism no one

1276
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:20,960
seemed to be aware

1277
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,960
of the fact that speaking without moving

1278
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,319
the lips is

1279
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,400
ventriloquism i have seen the late

1280
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:28,640
arthur prince demonstrate with adhesive

1281
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,200
tape

1282
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,960
for the entertainment of a private

1283
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:32,880
circle of magicians

1284
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:35,839
private because drawing attention to the

1285
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:36,400
lips

1286
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:40,319
as such in public is bad

1287
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:44,480
magical technique and before we read on

1288
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,599
i wonder why especially in those days

1289
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:49,440
and it can still happen now

1290
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,880
uh that so many mediums in a

1291
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:55,280
traditional seance insist that the room

1292
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:56,319
be pitch

1293
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,920
black and not long ago some videos came

1294
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,040
to my attention of

1295
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:04,000
a seance held in the pitch black

1296
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,359
somebody had

1297
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:08,400
sneakily put in a night vision camera

1298
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,000
only to see the so-called medium

1299
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,559
stand up and wander around the room and

1300
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:16,079
wave things

1301
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:20,640
and pretend to be a spirit

1302
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:24,640
we read on sir john anderson

1303
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:27,520
i could never regard spiritualism as a

1304
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:28,480
religion

1305
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:31,040
for it seems to have a much wider

1306
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,520
mission

1307
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,520
ahead of it i regard it as a branch of

1308
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,119
the tree of truth

1309
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:37,680
to stir mankind to seek and find the

1310
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:38,319
truth of

1311
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,839
survival and of the many pitfalls that

1312
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,119
await the individual

1313
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,760
and the world's destiny with regard to

1314
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:47,839
my attitude towards mediumship

1315
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,000
i must frankly admit that some of the

1316
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,920
professional mediums are not being

1317
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,000
influenced from spheres of

1318
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:57,119
rarefied mind but nevertheless most of

1319
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:57,440
them

1320
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,040
are absolutely genuine these people

1321
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:03,839
certainly do give proof of survival in

1322
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:04,880
most cases

1323
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:08,079
personally i feel that trivial messages

1324
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:08,480
from

1325
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:12,160
a departed soul or souls are not of much

1326
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:12,800
value

1327
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:15,839
to the receiver but in many instances

1328
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,400
do console a mourner and give fresh

1329
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:20,319
courage to know that the soul

1330
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:23,520
is absolutely eternal we are

1331
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:26,640
of course assured of this by christ

1332
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:29,839
and this truth is a bulwark of

1333
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:33,599
the christian faith whatever i may be

1334
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:36,240
inspired to write in prose or poetry

1335
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:36,960
forms

1336
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:39,920
i claim that i receive the thoughts to

1337
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:42,000
enable me to express them

1338
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,240
from an unseen psychic force

1339
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,800
i am most grateful for this gift and i

1340
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:50,160
feel that there are

1341
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,400
thousands of people who would find

1342
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:54,559
wonderful inspiration for their

1343
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:58,160
various desires if they too

1344
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:01,440
would search and find the truth of right

1345
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:04,319
thinking this being the key to find

1346
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,400
bliss unknown before

1347
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:08,480
and the door will be opened for further

1348
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:10,160
proof and discovery

1349
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,000
of the eternal psychic thought force

1350
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,040
which has been pulsating before

1351
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:19,680
the beginning of everything on both

1352
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:20,480
heaven

1353
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,440
and earth i know that this is all true

1354
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:24,640
and have proved it

1355
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:28,559
to myself whether others accept it

1356
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,359
is not my business my purpose is to tell

1357
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:32,960
the world the truth of

1358
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:36,480
an eternal ego and also the science of

1359
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:36,800
the

1360
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:40,480
thought rays or waves which influence

1361
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:43,359
us all for good more evil i have had

1362
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:45,440
remarkable evidence of survival

1363
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,599
and also messages relating to personal

1364
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:49,040
matters from the

1365
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:52,960
platform mediums i have sat in circle in

1366
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,559
my own home

1367
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:57,200
and received messages of significance

1368
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,079
from private

1369
00:54:01,430 --> 00:54:00,480
mediumship done entirely for the service

1370
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:01,440
of the

1371
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:04,960
spirit forces with no desire for any

1372
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:05,680
gain

1373
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:08,400
i have experience of phenomena which

1374
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,000
were not fraudulent but

1375
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:13,040
very distasteful for me personally and

1376
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:15,520
in my opinion not suitable for anyone

1377
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:18,880
especially a weak person for one has to

1378
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:19,520
put up

1379
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,760
a strong barrier of resistance to

1380
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:22,720
anything

1381
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,760
of a vicious nature whether in this

1382
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:27,760
material world

1383
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,319
or from the mind pulsations of evil

1384
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:31,599
design

1385
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:34,400
i pitted the mediums who were so

1386
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:37,040
constructed only to be able to contact

1387
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:40,720
warped thoughts of past entities and

1388
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:44,000
i'll break in here again to say

1389
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:47,359
what good grief

1390
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:51,200
sir john anderson wow that was quite a

1391
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,970
um

1392
00:55:04,549 --> 00:54:53,920
[Music]

1393
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:04,559
that was the summing up from lord amwell

1394
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:07,599
and mr anderson make of that what you

1395
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,319
will

1396
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:10,079
next week we hear the thoughts and

1397
00:55:14,830 --> 00:55:12,000
opinions of dr bended

1398
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,840
and mrs haldane

1399
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,119
[Music]

1400
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:19,440
and that was into the unknown our

1401
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:20,480
continuing

1402
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:24,160
look into reports of investigations into

1403
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:25,920
spiritualism and psychic

1404
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:29,760
goings-on conducted conducted in

1405
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:32,880
late 1949 reported in 1950

1406
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:36,000
and ending up in the sunday

1407
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:39,040
sun color supplement here in australia

1408
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:48,880
in october 1950. and you can read that

1409
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:49,599
for yourself

1410
00:56:13,589 --> 00:55:53,680
at trove.nla.gov.edu

1411
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:15,349
thank you for listening to the skeptic's

1412
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:16,640
own podcast

1413
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:19,119
and congratulations to all three nations

1414
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:21,280
involved in exploring mars

1415
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:23,920
as far as i know all three missions so

1416
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:26,079
far have been successful with the nasa

1417
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:26,559
one

1418
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:29,760
and jet propulsion laboratories being

1419
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,319
spectacularly successful so far

1420
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,640
in so much as the photographs the few

1421
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:36,400
photographs i've seen

1422
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:38,960
have been startling especially the one

1423
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:41,040
and you've probably seen it yourself

1424
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:43,119
with the rover being lowered down from

1425
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:44,720
the sky crane

1426
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,680
and it's tantalizing to think that we

1427
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:49,680
might soon see a video

1428
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:52,720
of that event thank you to those people

1429
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,559
who continue to support the skeptic's

1430
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,160
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1431
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,280
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1432
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,839
the new patreons in the last week

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the suggested amount of course is five

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dollars a month

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more

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yesterday on coffee and some people

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certainly chip in with more than that

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which is uh fabulous

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and very much appreciated by all of you

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00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:23,040
i think all of you people out there who

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00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:25,040
simply enjoy the skeptic zone can thank

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00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,240
those people

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who chip in even a little bit a month

1444
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:30,720
because it's those people mean that you

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00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,200
people

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00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,760
hear the show so if you get a laugh out

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00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:35,119
of the skeptic zone if you learn

1448
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:36,640
something if it's part of your weekly

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00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,040
entertainment or educational

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routine while you're doing the dishes

1451
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walking the dog

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driving to work on the bus whatever

1453
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,079
you're doing

1454
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then maybe you can consider uh

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contributing

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as well coming up on the skeptic zone

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00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:53,599
podcast next week

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00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,119
more of the book of tim with tim mendum

1459
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,520
the last but one of our look into

1460
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,760
psychic testing from the 1950s in the

1461
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,040
trove segment

1462
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,440
and i hope to bring you an interview

1463
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:07,440
with some authors who have just written

1464
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:08,400
a book

1465
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:11,760
all about crystal healing

1466
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,200
hmm i think my crystals need healing

1467
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:18,000
and just before i go don't forget as the

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skeptical

1469
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fairy godmother angel from the internet

1470
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reminded us in this week's episode

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00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,480
you can now hear all 40 of michelle

1472
00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:30,319
because mars logical fallacies on

1473
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:32,920
youtube just head for

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00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:35,599
tinyurl.com slash

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00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:38,559
logical zone and once again thank you

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00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:40,240
michelle

1477
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:42,079
but for this week this is richard

1478
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:43,520
saunders signing off

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00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:51,270
you've been listening to the skeptic

1480
00:58:55,950 --> 00:58:52,720
zone podcast

1481
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,960
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1482
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,280
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1483
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,400
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1484
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:02,400
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1485
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:05,920
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1486
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:08,000
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1487
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:11,440
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1488
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:14,960
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1489
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:16,400
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1490
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:19,599
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1491
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:20,319
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1492
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:23,280
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1493
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:25,040
and opinions expressed on the skeptic

1494
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,440
zone

1495
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,440
are not necessarily those of australian

1496
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:29,359
skeptics or any other

1497
00:59:58,829 --> 00:59:42,950
more than five thousand subjects from

1498
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,829
why

1499
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:04,079
uh if only the skeptic zone fans knew

1500
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:05,440
what we have to do

1501
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:06,960
well you keep talking about the birth i

1502
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:08,079
can't hear them when i listen to your

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01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:08,960
podcast

1504
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:11,119
uh that's because i turned them down a

1505
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:12,640
lot yeah but you keep talking about them

1506
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:13,040
like

1507
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:15,119
i'm listening no the man's crazy there's

1508
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:16,559
no birds it's in his head

1509
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:18,079
i have a bird in my hand okay i'll start

1510
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:19,680
that paragraph again because it's all

1511
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,030
hello to the afterthoughts the people

1512
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:27,280
who listen after the music for the dice

1513
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,720
game here we go

1514
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,640
a d6 this week folks if you haven't

1515
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:32,720
heard this part of the show before

1516
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:36,960
i roll a die a d10 a d6 sometimes a d30

1517
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:40,480
a d4 sometimes even was it a d3

1518
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:42,079
with one two three i think it's a d4

1519
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:43,680
anyway whatever

1520
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:47,920
and you see if you can uh predict

1521
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,520
more guess is that the same thing

1522
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,359
no not really what numbers are going to

1523
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:55,680
come up i have my skeptic's own pen

1524
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:58,240
skeptic's own notepad

1525
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,839
on my skeptic's own desk and here's my

1526
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,079
skeptics on die it's a d6 this week at

1527
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:04,480
d6 i'm gonna roll it three times

1528
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:08,559
here we go guess away roll number one

1529
01:01:13,660 --> 01:01:11,839
is a one one for one

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roll number two

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[Music]

1532
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is a four one

1533
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:25,670
is a three hmm roll number one was one

1534
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:28,000
roll number three was a three

1535
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:31,200
this week's numbers are one

1536
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,240
four three and the supplementary

1537
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:36,640
as they play on those lotto games will

1538
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:37,440
be

1539
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:40,079
rolled with a d10 a 10-sided die here we

1540
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:40,960
go

1541
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:42,880
so you have a choice of one two three

1542
01:01:45,460 --> 01:01:44,079
four five six seven eight

1543
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:45,470
nine or ten

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[Music]